Two $100,000/month Systems Compared … Eye Opening - Online and Info Product Marketing

Two $100,000/month Systems Compared … Eye Opening



Two $100,000 A Month Models Compared — PLUS The Shocking

Truth About Banner Ads, Your Email, Privacy, And Yes, We
Even Have Traffic Secrets…


If you care at all about TRAFFIC, traffic secrets,  you'll love this issue.

It may be disturbing.

It may be shocking.

But it WILL be an eye opener.

Last week I didn't write an issue. It was a holiday for Pete's

So today's issue is triple long.  It's long but PACKED.

Kinda scary.  But revealing.  Truthful. Eye opening.

Hit me with your COMMENTS on my BLOG.

Marlon's Marketing Minute
Electronic Newsletter
Vol. 3, #24, July 12, 2008

This issue contains:

A. Sponsor Advertisement: Why Design Dashboard Still

B. Announcements from Marlon (Important)

C. Main Article: Two $100,000 A Month Models Compared — PLUS
The Shocking Truth About Banner Ads, Your Email, Privacy, And Yes, We
Even Have Traffic Secrets…

D. Services You Can Use

Brought to you by: Marlon Sanders – Publisher



Listen, in Design Dashboard I have a bonus 20-minute video
on graphic design where Lisa goes through creating a graphic
header from A to Z.

It really is a GREAT video.  It alone is worth the price.

If you don't have this product, it WILL help you in so many

When you log in, click through the bonuses and look for the
20-minute video.


One: Do You Have Unresolved Customer Support Issues?

If you have a customer support issue of ANY type, whether it
may be a question on affiliate commissions, product not
received, problem logging in or just something you're confused
about, here is how to get help:

Two: We have fixed almost all the SQUEAKY sounds on the Design
Dashboard video. A few of the bonus videos to go but the main
product has all been fixed.

Ditto for Product Dashboard

C. Two $100,000 A Month Models Compared — PLUS The Shocking
Truth About Banner Ads, Your Email, Privacy, And Yes, We
Even Have Traffic Secrets…

By Marlon Sanders


The other day I was reading a forum.  Several guys had gotten
100 visitors and not made a sale and wondered what was wrong.

In this article, I'm going to try to answer that question.

I just talked to another friend of mine on the phone
last week.

He's been making $100,000 a month online since I met
him back at the Boulder seminars years ago.

Back then his model was to run banner ads, sell a $39.95
ebook with a super duper offer.

Then in the ebook he sold 'em his big ticket.  He spent
$25,000 a month on banner ads and made $100,000.

Almost identical numbers to my friend who is doing the same
thing with Google pay-per-click in another market.  Except
he gives away the ebook free instead of selling it.

My first friend had back ends of $377 and $577.  And then
later went to $577 and $997, or something like that.

My second friend has a recurring billing $37 a month
back end.  But converts 10% of the people who request the
free ebook.

What's CRAZY is my second friend is NOW doing the free
BOOK thing by direct mail.  So instead of a free ebook,
it's a free PRINTED book.

You'll laugh at this.

I asked him WHERE he was getting his books printed at and
he said Kinkos!  The reason you'll laugh at that is he
consumes over 30,000 a year.  And could easily get 'em
cheaper elsewhere.

Here are the models:

Model one:  $39.95 ebook.  $377 and $577 upsells.  Later
a $997 upsell.

Model two:  Free ebook.  $37 a month back end.

Model three:  Free BOOK.  $4,000 back end.

Oh, I forgot to tell you.  The free book sells a $4,000
product.  Basically, it's written on the old Jeff Paul
if you're familiar with that.

Anyway, that's not the point.

The point is these models all do some things in common:

Step one:  Get people in the funnel

You can sell a low-priced something or the other.  Or
give it away free.

Step two:  Sell 'em something MUCH more profitable.
$377, $577, $37 a month, $4,000.

I think of Matt Bacak and Russ Bruson doing the
$5500 big tickets with phone sales.  I think of
Vincent James doing the $59.95 a month recurring billing
for his bottles o' pills.

In the early days, my model was Amazing Formula on
the front end then the Big Course for $500 on the back

Later that changed to Cash Like Clockwork.

But there's one MORE missing element here.

And that is the MAIN key:  A repetitive way to generate

The vogue nowadays is product launches.  And that's all
well and good if you have lots of friends who are willing
to stick together and promote each other.  And, coincidentally,
win each other's fancy affiliate prizes.

(Did you EVER notice a friend in the JV circle seems to always
win the huge affiliate pize?  I WISH my friends were so kind
to me!)

Personally, I'd RATHER have the consistent traffic without
the chaos of a big launch.

Whether you have a FREE ebook, FREE book or low-priced offer,
you MUST have something that converts.

Copy is king and queen.

And truly, if you can't write great-converting copy, you're
at a handicap.

Then you gotta have a big ticket back end or recurring billing.
Now, you can convert people with sales letters, direct mail,
teleseminars, video, or email.

They all work.

They're all just ways of delivering your sales message via
different channels.

Here are the things I've seen work on the front end:

1.  Banner advertising

If you're in a market with lots of inventory, this is a great
option.  Get 'em to a page, bribe 'em with something free to
join your list.

Begin marketing.

2.  Pay-per-click

This works too IF you have a back end that sucks money out
within 30 days.  But you have BETTER have an offer and emails
that convert 5% to 10% of subscribers to buyers.

Google keeps tightening the rules and the cost of clicks seems
to be going up.  But there's no doubt the volume is there.  It's
fast. And it's highly trackable and testable.

3.  Affiliate program

In probably any arena OTHER than Internet marketing this is
still gold.  Internet marketing has degraded into the product
launch of the week.  And you're LUCKY if your affiliates promote
your new product for longer than 2 weeks.

You have a degree of vulnerability in that you're dependent
on the efforts of others.  So it isn't perfect.  But with
ppc, banners and direct mail, you pay IN ADVANCE.

With SEO, you pay with your time creating content.

With affiliate programs, you pay in money AFTER the sale.
That is why it's still a great marketing method.

4.  Direct mail

The age of folks is 45 to 50+.  So if you're trying to target
people in their 20's or early 30's, you may have a challenge.

5.  Seo stuff

Article marketing and other methods can work.  I mean, if you
produce an article a day, turn it into video and podcasts using
Traffic Guyser, submit it to the video and podcast directories,
submit it to the article directories, post it on your blog and
so forth, and KEEP doing that day after day — sooner or later
you'll get traffic.

I mean, if you just HAMMER Google with content day after day,
relentlessley, it's bound to get you somewhere.  The only thing
is, the content has to be themed and related and so forth.

This is basically what Tinu does in the Evergreen Traffic
System except she's a lot more focused with it and targets
Google with laser tactics.

Still, it's a CONTENT-BASED approach.  With Tinu's system you
create high quality content and syndicate it using RSS.

Either you create content or buy it.  The problem or issue I
see with buying it is if it's low quality content, Google can
TELL people don't spend much time on the page or bookmark it.

I'd personally rather buy clicks, banners or send out direct
mail.  Writing every day is NOT attractive to me.

There's a MAJOR sacrifice of time UNLESS you can afford to
hire or magically find writers who can actually produce high
quality content people WILL read.

Seo is a CONTENT model. The only approach I know of that works
long term is CONTENT. That is what Google values.  And they CAN
differentiate the quality of content by time-on-page, bookmarking,
links and so forth.

Long term, you CANNOT trick Google.  Having said that, I do know
people who outsource articles inexpensively and do get results.
I wonder, though, long term if those pages will stick.

I pretty much doubt it.  Did you know Google sets a cookie when
you long into Gmail?

So they can SEE every email you open.

They KNOW every link you click.

They KNOW the web sites you go to.  How long you spend there. How
much you scroll (or they could track this easily).

They know who links in and out.

They know who clicks what.

Heck, they even have a PICTURE of your HOUSE on Google Maps and
your street view.  They have a picture there of the CAR you drive
if it's in your driveway.  Seriously, in the U.S. they probably
have literal video footage of your home, your car and the street
you live on.

I'm NOT making this up. I looked up a friend's home in a fairly
remote suburb of a pretty small town.  And they had STREET LEVEL
video of the whole neighborhood.  And you could see the CAR in
the driveway.  Everything.

And with their new Google phone, they'll know WHO you call, how long
you talk and where you call.

So just TELL me you can find a way to fool them about the quality
of your content long term.

By the way, in the U.S. the government from what I can tell can get
that DATA anytime they want.  So every email you read, email you
SEND, web site you go to.  They know WHAT you click when you GO
to those web sites because of Google ANALYTICS.

If you use Gmail, it's ALL tracked.

And you wonder why Microsoft was desperate to buy YAHOO?

You know, in the U.S. I THOUGHT we had a constitution that prevented
search without a warrant.

Yeah right.

Frankly, if this scares you a little, it should.  You need to know,
if you're on the Net and you're not surfing with a proxy like, and you're using Gmail and doing all your searches
in Google…ummmmm….you should just know it's all TRACKED and
probably recorded.

I don't know WHO owns Skype.  And I don't know if any of that data
is SOLD.  Since it's FREE, I'm guessing it is. How much data is sold
and to whom?  I wonder.  Are your Skypes private?

Mmmmmmmmm.  I doubt it.  But I could be wrong.  I'm sure that if the
government or someone in a lawsuit wants them, they can get 'em.

I'm no privacy expert. And I'm sure some of the things I've said here
aren't exactly accurate.  But anyone with half a brain can put two
and two together and see the pattern.

As far as privacy, don't use Gmail.  Use Safari as your web browser
or maybe Firefox. Don't get a Google phone when it comes out.  And
know that when you search on Google, there is very little protection
of your privacy.

Just know that there is no privacy unless you surf with a proxy
turned on.  You may not care. But I think you should at least KNOW.

1.  There is no privacy
2.  It's all tracked
3.  The Government has access
4.  Even your emails are archived and are NOT private.

(Don't know about UK and Australia or other countries.)

In terms of BANNER ADVERTISING it is good for marketers.  It means
they can and DO track people's movements ACROSS web sites and can
serve banners based on a theme of their surfing habits.  That is what
the whole Double Click uproar was about ..

They also know WHAT people click in their email on Gmail and Yahoo.
The targeting is VERY precise.  I mean, they know EVERTHING.

Everything.  Every click. Every move.  Emails.  House location,
value (from Google Maps).  Even your forum postings can be tracked.
(Google Analytics).

In terms of PRIVACY, Google is not your friend.

As a marketer, if you can't target precisely with THAT….

There ARE services that let you target banners with this precision.
However, NO ONE has really researched them and written up an ebook
that's affordable on the topic.

No one has written who these services are, the degree to which they
track, how much you can REALLY buy the banners for via negotiation
vs. off-the-rack b.s. prices.

It's a bonanza for marketers NO ONE has written about exploited.

If you know:

— What sites people go to
— How long they are there
— What they click on
— How often they go there
— How often they click
— What types of emails they send and to whom
— The location of their home (and by implication home value)

If you know all that, are you telling me banners aren't being
served with the greatest precision known to man?

Why hasn't this been told or written up?

I KNOW you can buy these banners.  But who sells them?  What
is the minimum buy? What is the price AFTER negotiation?  You
know, the true street price?  What are the minimum buys?
Who are the main players?  What data are they tracking?

What is the average CTR?

So you wanna talk about TRAFFIC and TRAFFIC SECRETS? There
you go. THERE is something to talk about.


1.  You buy traffic

Banners, Google, other methods.

2.  You trade time for it by creating content for Google

Google rewards high quality content with good rankings.
But quality content takes YOUR time or talented hired writers.

3.  Direct mail

You could call this direct response and include full-page ads,
TV and radio.

Once you're reaching .50 a hit on Google, there's not a lot
of difference between THAT and spending .50 to send a proven
buyer a piece of mail.

The cost of entry is high though.  Testing 10 lists at 2,000
names each is a 20,000 mailing costing over $10,000.

I began this article talking about a forum thread I read where
several guys had gotten 100 visitors and not made a sale and
wondered what was wrong.

Do you see now?

1.  You gotta have a way to deliver a LOT of visitors predictably.
Banner ads.  PPC.  Affiliates.  Direct mail.

Something you pretty much CONTROL.

2.  You gotta have a conversion PROCESS.

Get people on your list and follow up with emails.

3.  You gotta have a big ticket back end.

Every single thing I said in still applies. And
the system for creating big ticket info products STILL WORKS
and still applies.

These guys:

1.  Didn't have a repetive way to bring in visitors that they
could rely on.

2.  They didn't get people on a list.

3.  They didn't have a big ticket.

I will add that they were trying to do an SEO method based ONLY
on getting inbound links with low quality content.

You know, link exchanges and such. Which I'm sure probably work
IF you have high quality content.  Google just isn't stupid or


Marlon Sanders is the author of “The Info Product Dashboard.”
If you want to create your own info products, go to:


REPRINT RIGHTS: You have permission to use the above
article without omission and including the resource box.
You have the right to insert your reseller URLs for MY
products into the article in place of MY links.

D. “Services You Can Use”


PUT UP YOUR WEB SITE? Discover how easy and simple it can
be to do your own graphic design (or at least some of it).
Plus, find out the exact resources I recommend to save a
bundle.  Avoid going down the wrong path.

Many people have copied my software.  But there really and
truly is only ONE original.


Copyright 2008 Higher Response Marketing Inc.
All rights reserved.